Really?
On Thursday the Navigation Committee will be recommended to approve changes to the toll level structure, apparently designed to encourage youngsters to take to boating.
Yeah. Right.
A reduction in costs for young people wishing to get their toes under straps is, needless to say, commendable. But this publicity-friendly aspect is being used to puff smoke over what is really another gigantic hike in toll levels for everyone else.
What will be the cost to navigation income of a reduction in tolls for youngster-friendly boats?
What is the amount of the increase in income proposed by the loading of other boats?
The answer to the second question will be many times what is needed to cover the first.
I do hope that the Navigation Committee members will do their sums. From what I read in the EDP on Saturday, it appears that the Chairman of the NSBA has already done them.
We are soon to discover just how effective the new Navigation Committee appointment system will be for the future. We should see just how representative some of those members are and whether or not they carry any influence.
GF
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Gruntfuttock
20th Oct '08 10:23 
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GaryCantley
20th Oct '08 17:42 |
GF,
There is already a scheme in place to help youth groups undertaking sailing on the Broads. Broads Authority Sailing Scheme (BASS) £97.60 BASS is a scheme for youth groups operating in the voluntary sector. To join, the group or organisation must be a Royal Yachtng Association recognised Teaching Establishment, a school or registered with their Local Education Authority as a regonised Voluntary Youth Service such as a Scout or Guide troop. Member groups can nominate up to 8 sailing dinghies, of no more than 10 square metres in size, for a single membership fee. Think they should look elsewhere for their excuses. |
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Gruntfuttock
21st Oct '08 12:41
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Of course there are no cynics on this forum Gary, but if there were they might suggest that the BA are encouraging informal youth boating of a type which doesn't enjoy the safety provisions of organised groups?
Personally, I feel there are benefits in both the formal and the informal. But I'm not sure whether each would carry the same status of drowning near miss for every wet tee-shirt. It all depends on what you want to achieve with statistics. GF |
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Tree Hugger
21st Oct '08 16:56 
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I think what we're missing here is a Toll Regime to aid Old Sailors!
And while we're on the subject a few Wet Tee shirt competitions wouldn't go amiss either - a sort of Viagra for the Iris? The trouble with Blackbeard and the rest of that PC-benefit crowd down at Colegate, is that they're all positively gerontophobic. I say let the young look after themselves dammit. They can always simulate pounding round Oulton on a bloody X-box, if they're that keen. Old Sailors need incentives, and that means Tax breaks and comforts. Possibly young nurses? Otherwise we may just fade away, or end up in the Black Windmill Gang. And what happens to democracy then? Just who's going to heckle the annual BA Not Sorry Session and interrupt the BA BS with grumpy remarks and breaking wind? Eh ? Eh ? Free Anusol for all Waveney skippers say I, and that's just the start of it. --------------------------------------------- Edited for something I've forgotten, but now can't remember. Tree Hugger is 85 |
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Tree Hugger
21st Oct '08 17:07
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And while we're on the subject of Youth, what the heck's happened to the Scout Movement?
It's bad enough they now mix the girls in with the boys, but the prospect of fat Gary giving sex education talks to 12 year olds whilst showing them how to helm a leader, is positively chilling. Any case, sex and money is wasted on the young. Haven't a clue what to do with it.... |
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GaryCantley
21st Oct '08 17:47 |
Tree Hugger wrote: Tree, This fat git wont be giving sex education talks to any Scouts. You have got the age slightly wrong, its the 14 - 18's that will have these lessons but I still think it wrong. Its what parents and teachers are for. I want to be there to give them instruction on sailing. |
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Gruntfuttock
21st Oct '08 19:38
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Tree Hugger wrote: You mean they charge? Now that Gary has revealed the true age range of those to be encased in wetted linen, I might be tempted to risk a few quid... GF |
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Old Frank
21st Oct '08 19:41 |
Can I watch?
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peter waller
21st Oct '08 21:10 
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Gary, sex and sailing a keel boat, since the year dot, have gone hand in hand, so to speak! I understand that Wayfarers don't have forepeaks therefor don't have forepeak floosies. A great loss to those who sail dinghies
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Finny
23rd Oct '08 14:09 |
So there you have it Gary
you will only need to educate our youth on how to sail, Dodge Wakeboarders and Dodgy looking sailors wearing Smoking Jackets and Cravats  |
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Gruntfuttock
24th Oct '08 10:00
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Well.
The Navigation Committee has done its job in stout fashion and I don't think it would be out of place to thank the members for playing their part in preventing Blackbeard from continuing to screw uncontrolled amounts of cash from boat owners. I don't believe that current toll levels are bad value, but the Chief Spendthrift just cannot go on sucking infinitive increases, particularly without showing any genuine intent to spend the money wisely for the recovery of the navigation. After the Navigation Committee meeting Blackbeard shed a few Everglade Crocodile tears exactly as anyone could have predicted, with threats of reduced dredging and patrolling. So what? Just where would we be if the dredging operation and ranger patrols were reduced - or even paused completely for a while? Areas which need critical dredging aren't being dredged. Costly patrol launches are sitting idle for days on end, even at the height of the visitor season. Go on. Pull the plug for a year or two. Who would notice? Not the bulk of toll payers, that's for sure. Now we wait to hear whether the full BA Committee will take heed of the Navigation Committee's expertise, or whether it will declare that the Nav Comm has become just another mumbling shop to be ignored. EDP report GF |
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Tree Hugger
24th Oct '08 14:33
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Trouble is GF, the tripartheid equal-emphasis arrangement for management of Broadland, is on its last legs, and if the main body of members is induced to over-rule the navigation committee once more, then I think this quango goes into administrative melt-down.
When that happens I would prefer it to be in the best of causes. So why do I have this niggling feeling that too much of Broadland's contiguous waters are being used as cheap moorings for large seagoing vessels. Worse still, as more and more boatyards go, and factors like PPS25 inhibit any other form of alternative revenue return, why do I fear this practise may be the only growth area? |
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old salt
24th Oct '08 15:23 |
Can anyone say that the B.A. is genuinely interested in boating on the Broads? All they seem intersted in is bowing down to the rich charities and quango's.Would't life be simple for them,no boating and a National Park.
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peter waller
24th Oct '08 18:22
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Please, please Dr P, ignore the Nav Com's toll recommendation, just in time for the Petitioner's London tip
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peter waller
25th Oct '08 18:42
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Interestingly the BA's press release regarding the lowering of tolls for youngsters was published before the Nav Com meeting discussed the issue. On a scale of 1 to 10 what sort of corporate arrogance is that?
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