I posted this on the lightside, but would also value your thoughts over here...
Just read the editorial in my new RSPB magazine... and I quote: " ... Elsewhere, the Broads National Park is threatened by a proposal to dual the A47 from Acle to Great Yarmouth."
IS this seriously being considered? If so, what do people think about it?
Danny
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Dannyboy
3rd May '06 20:34 |
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calchas
16th Aug '06 23:33 |
No one wants to go to Yarmouth
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Poppy
17th Aug '06 09:13 |
Work on the G.Y. Outer Harbour started this week.
It may not seem that the Acle straight dualling is a top requirement at the present time, but those of us who can remember when the Ferry was operating from GY to Holland, will be familiar with the large number of HGVs on this road then. In 2008 this traffic will return. Human life MUST take a higher priority than birds, bees and spiders etc., although the impact of dualling this strech will be short term in the great scheme of nature. |
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Arachnid
17th Aug '06 12:00 |
Poppy wrote: Agree about the birds and bees, not so sure about the spiders! |
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churchy
17th Aug '06 21:29 |
The increased amount of road traffic (HGV'S) using the existing road structure wouldbe , if I recall correctly 200 extra vehicles each day to make the venture profitable.
It was pointed out to those pushing the outer harbour that the amount would be 400, 200 off and 200 on for the return journey. After all, an empty ferry making the return journey is pointless. So pause for a moment and think of an extra 400 HGV's going through Yarmouth and along the Acle straight. The harbour should be built at the North end of of Yarmouth near the now tatty and vandalised Iron Duke pub. Although I not against the outer harbour I have little faith in GYBC thinking things through. |
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Old Frank
18th Aug '06 18:15 |
Poppy wrote: |
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Poppy
18th Aug '06 18:28 |
OF said
"Instead of building additional bridges it's only required to T off an existing dual carriageway. There is also a disused railway nearby that could be resuscitated. " This still requires traffic from the Midlands to travel along the A47. In addition, it would then have to negotiate the notorious Harfreys junction. Don't even go there! BTW, the work referred to is initial sediment sampling on the site. I would really like to see this thread return to the original point -Acle Strait dualling - for or against? |
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Old Frank
19th Aug '06 15:27 |
Doesn't have to.... could link with A14 at Bury St. Edmunds via Diss - improvements to the A12 south of Lowestoft would also be less politically sensitive than the Acle straight.
Am I for or against dualling the Acle straight? As a single carriageway road with even a 50mph limit, the Acle straight adds no more than a couple of minutes to a journey to Yarmouth from Norwich. The problem isn't so much the long straight road but getting people off it at the eastern end. Gapton Hall roundabout - believe me I know all about it. A major problem is that it's badly designed. If so many cars weren't in the wrong lanes, even Crapton Hall would cope much better. The existing plans for the outer harbour & new bridge will exacerbate this situation. The real point is that none of Great Yarmouth's traffic systems need much more intense usage - and the wretched outer harbour is clearly in the wrong place...... Oh God, am I in favour of duelling the Acle straight? Yes; but only on one condition. Four lane road - three lanes out, one lane in. OK? OF |
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churchy
20th Aug '06 22:25 |
Its a two edged sword. On the one hand the dualing of the Acle straight would in theory, as I am led to believe, make the road safer.
But.. On the hand it will bring more traffic in to an already failing traffic managment system which tries to route the increasing amount of traffic though and around GY. The more traffic entering Gy via the Acle Straight the more congesting it causes for traffic leaving GY. I agree with OF, dont dual it just have extra lanes leaving GY. |
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Mardler
26th Aug '06 14:54 |
Good thread.
A no-brainer to me. If the case is made on safety, economic or other grounds, then dualling is needed. The eco-warrior's arguments are specious because the dualled road will only take up a small area south of the current road that is a wasteland of old sheds, allotments and scrub. The grazing marshes of Halvergate lie further south (of the railway). Aesthetically, the dualling should be invisible from the river and marshes thus it should entail lowering the carriageway or tunnelling. You think I'm joking? Go to Holland and see how it's done properly! OF's comments on the port are salutory. The real problem with dualling isn't the few miles either side of Stracey, it's the bottleneck entering Yarmouth and until that little mess is sorted dualling is a no-no. The Hopton idea is appealing, if not the scour created south of any protusion, so methinks we should build a new 6 lane highway from Acle, or the Norwich bypass, straight to the A12. Problem solved! :-) |
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peter waller
27th Aug '06 00:22 
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Surely a rail link to a central distribution network would be the obvious solution? Even to Norwich might be a sensible idea. An awful lot of containers can go behind one train.
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Old Frank
27th Aug '06 14:52 |
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Poppy
7th Sep '06 07:51 |
Apart from the obvious traffic problems in Great Yarmouth (present with or without a dualled approach), the major objection from environmentalists and conservationists is the impact on the local flora and fauna of the immediately adjacent land.
Last evening I was at Upton, where B.E.S.L. started the latest phase of the "flood alleviation" project about a month ago. The whole strip on the north side of Upton dyke is now approaching in appearance a first World War battlefield! They are currently working adjacent to the land now belonging to the Norfolk Naturalists Trust, who, if my memory serves me, were amongst the loudest objectors to A47 dualling. Now, what I find puzzling is why a road project is seen as disruptive of the environment, a project causing similar disruption and destruction of a comparable environment will not! |
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Old Frank
8th Sep '06 12:13 |
As far as Gapton Hall roundabout is concerned, I suspect you'll find this a design problem. The roundabout only queues south to north. Vehiclestravelling south from Breydon bridge experience little delay at any time of day. OF
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riverineloddon
27th Sep '06 07:13 |
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